can we survive Christianity?

A horrifying quote from a recent post at A Political Refugee From the Global Village.

The former bishop of Caserta, Raffaele Nogaro, said recently
“Morally and as a man of faith I would be willing to turn all churches into mosques if it were useful to the cause and if it helped to save the lives of poor and unhappy men and women, because Christ did not come to earth to build churches but to help men regardless of race, religion, or nationality.”

We already knew that most of the leaders of most of the established Christian churches have abandoned Christianity in favour of secular liberalism but this quote is interesting since the bishop doesn’t even bother to try to hide the truth.

We have to ask ourselves, can our civilisation survive Christianity as it is now?

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10 comments on “can we survive Christianity?

  1. Why Christianity? Why hold onto it?

    If it was the the traditional, authoritarian, paternalistic, communal, crusading kind I could get onboard.

    But 'The Church of the Latter Day Homo' can die its slow death as far as I'm concerned. It has nothing of value to add. It's submission to Liberalism and death of Western people.

    Pagan traditions which are tribal, chauvinistic, supremacist, noble, war-like would serve us much better in our current state of decline, and could actually reverse that decline.

  2. >>can we survive Christianity?

    We can – in the East. It's much more complicated with the West. I don't believe there's any chance of saving Protestantism, although I don't think it's really worth saving anyway, and I think there's still a chance for Catholic Church.

  3. dfordoom says:

    Pagan traditions which are tribal, chauvinistic, supremacist, noble, war-like would serve us much better in our current state of decline, and could actually reverse that decline.

    I'm not sure how much chance there is of paganism catching on in a big way among the general population but I agree it would be a lot healthier than western Christianity.

    I'm confident that some kind of neo-paganism could be successfully imposed. I'm coming to believe that if you control education and the media you can impose any belief system at all. The problem is that first you have to get control of education and the media!

  4. dfordoom says:

    I don't believe there's any chance of saving Protestantism, although I don't think it's really worth saving anyway, and I think there's still a chance for Catholic Church.

    Protestantism was always going to end badly. It won't be missed.

    To save the Catholic Church you'd need an ultra-conservative Pope and he'd have to be fairly young (early 50s) because cleaning out the mess would take at least twenty years. He'd have to be a kind of Catholic Stalin. He'd have to be prepared to institute savage purges. We're talking mass sackings of bishops.

    I don't see any chance at all of such a Pope. How would he get elected? The entire hierarchy is riddled with secularists and homosexuals and has been for half a century at least.

    And I don't se how you could reform the Catholic Church from the bottom up. It's pretty much a top-down organisation.

  5. I believe there are different fractions in the Catholic Church, and one can't really know when one of them wins and another one loses. Their well-being is also very dependent on geopolitics. If that changes, the Church will change as well, I suppose. I'm pretty sure you can find Catholic Stalin in Italy, Ireland, or even West Belarus for that matter. You wrote a nice post about the unpredictful nature of history recently. I think it's totally applicable here.

  6. dfordoom says:

    You wrote a nice post about the unpredictful nature of history recently. I think it's totally applicable here.

    One way that factor could apply in this case would be if they decide to go full-bore antiracist and pick a Person of Colour as Pope. That could be interesting. A Chinese or a Korean Pope could turn out to be ultra-conservative. A black African Pope might be very very socially conservative. A Pope from the Philippines could go either way.

    It could be quite amusing. How will the media manage to demonise a black African Pope?

    I suspect that any bishop from western Europe or North America its going to be hopelessly compromised by liberalism. An eastern European Pope (another Pole for instance) could be disastrously pro-U.S. But with some of the Third World Catholic bishops anything really is possible. The fun thing is that a POC Pope might be socially very conservative but economically quite left-leaning.

  7. >>It could be quite amusing. How will the media manage to demonise a black African Pope?

    The same way they already demonised the chairman of the Czech nationalist party, who happens to be ethnical Japanese. They called him the “face of Czech nationalism.”

  8. You're right, not much chance of catching on.

    Since my post I've been looking more into Stoicism – which is Pagan, but not what we normally think of as Pagan (e.g. Norse gods, Druids, Gaia worship and shiet), and I'm increasingly seeing how it in particular could benefit us. (Stoicism may be more philosophy than religion, but it does make metaphysical claims).

    Our politicians often saying our Civilisation is 'Judeo-Christian', but if you look into Stoicism you start to see how more influential it is – like the rule of Law, natural rights, etc. None of the best stuff of the West is Christian.

    The Left has arguably rediscovered Gaia worship in regard to climate change and a globalist disposition. Perhaps the Right should return to our Western roots.

  9. dfordoom says:

    The Left has arguably rediscovered Gaia worship in regard to climate change and a globalist disposition. Perhaps the Right should return to our Western roots.

    I think we probably will have to try something like that. Certainly we need to distance ourselves as much as possible from the Catholic and Protestant Churches which are hopelessly globalist and hopelessly pozzed.

    It will be awesomely difficult to do it from the ground up, in the face of universal media hostility.

  10. dfordoom says:

    The same way they already demonised the chairman of the Czech nationalist party, who happens to be ethnical Japanese. They called him the “face of Czech nationalism.”

    Yes, unfortunately that's true. A socially conservative black or Korean or whatever Pope would still be Literally Hitler.

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