should men go their own way?

I haven’t really talked much about the so-called manosphere or about one of its more interesting manifestations, Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW). I have some sympathy for this movement although I certainly don’t consider myself to be a part of it. Of course that might be because I’m just not that much of a joiner.

The most potent argument against MGTOW is that it’s a kind of surrender and that surrender is what got us into this mess in the first place. There’s the argument that the one positive step that anyone who dislikes the current state of society can take is to marry and have lots of kids. These children will be shock troops, or at least loyal foot soldiers, in both the Culture War and the Demographic War. The further argument is that since liberals have few children we can easily win  The War of the Cradle. These are arguments that I myself was making just a year ago.

The trouble is that these arguments rest on two assumptions that are looking increasingly dubious. The first is that the Culture War and the Demographic War are winnable. The Culture War is clearly already lost. The Demographic War is looking very grim indeed. If these wars are unwinnable then that changes everything.

Of course there’s always the possibility that eventually our society will implode and then perhaps we can reconstruct a sane society from the ashes. It has to be said that an actual collapse seems (to me at least) rather unlikely in either the short or medium term. It’s more likely that present trends will continue and life will become more and more unpleasant but that the elites will maintain their control.

The second dubious assumption is that governments in the West are going to let us raise our children the way we think they should be raised. It’s blindingly obvious that our governments intend to put more and more pressure on us to raise our children the way they think children should be raised – as alienated but compliant economic units totally committed to the state religions of globalism and social justice. It’s also blindingly obvious that our governments will have absolutely no hesitation taking children away from patents who refuse to conform.

And liberals don’t need to breed. They don’t need their own children because they know they’re getting to get possession of the hearts and minds of our kids once those kids are exposed to the indoctrination program which is what our education system now is.

Marriage is clearly a very bad option for men for a host of reasons. If having children is now likely to be mostly futile then really it’s difficult to see any arguments at all for marriage from a male point of view.

We may be headed, rather rapidly, for a situation in which Men Going Their Own Way is not just an option, but the only viable option.

I think it’s all very tragic. Before feminism raised its ugly head men and women got along remarkably well. Then feminism taught women not only to hate men but to hate themselves for being women. Now an increasing number of men are so angry at women that they want nothing to do with them. The trouble is that living without the opposite sex is a hard road to choose.

The latest post at The Knight and Drummer addresses this issue and the closely related issue of withdrawing from society altogether. Maybe living a neolithic lifestyle in a hut in the wilderness appeals to some people but it’s not my idea of fun. I don’t like nature. I never have done. In my experience nature is damp, cold, smelly, uncomfortable and downright dangerous. Wildernesses might be nice to look at on TV (although even on TV they seem pretty boring to me) but the idea of living in an actual wilderness horrifies me. I’m not sure I’m keen on such absolute levels of solitude either.

I’m also not terribly attracted to the monkish thing. It’s a bit too much of a rejection of the sensual world. I’m not sure I can bring myself to regard the pleasures of the flesh as evil.

But then I seem to be a person entirely lacking in the taste for spiritual introspection so I’m not cut out for monkdom anyway.

I try to compromise as best as I can. I might live in society but I don’t feel part of it. Not any more. But I do rather like things like indoor plumbing and electricity, and at least some limited human contact. I shun all contact with contemporary popular culture, I avoid any unnecessary interactions with the state and I limit my human contacts fairly severely. Compromising is difficult but it seems to me to be unavoidable. I suppose that in practice I have to some extent been a man going his own way for quite some time now but I’m still sceptical about embracing it as an ideology. The idea does however become more attractive with each passing day.